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GR8677 #67 |
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Jeremy 2007-11-13 12:21:20 | A few things about the long way (official solution)... (1) We don't want the average energy of the system, we want the average energy of each particle. (2) In the first equation for energy , the should be replaced by . (3) . Also, I think the solution is cleaner using ( ).

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As , . Therefore the limit causes all exponentials to become .
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FortranMan 2008-10-28 11:10:05 |
So the absolute temperature is when T ? Is that what they mean by absolute temperature?
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eliasds 2008-11-03 21:48:34 |
I think by absolute temperature, they are referring to temperature in degrees kelvin.
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physicsisgod 2008-11-05 21:04:47 |
No, Jeremy is just taking kT >> 1, which makes 0
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|  | hefeweizen 2006-11-30 12:42:40 | i think there is a typo -
epsilon << kT
beta*epsilon << 1
and you can just use:
sum(E__i*exp(-beta*epsilon))/Z
|  | Andresito 2006-03-18 20:31:05 | jakevdp, thank you for posting your alternate solution. It seems that that is the shortest and the one ETLS wants you to think of.
Yosun, when you have zeta*(Dzeta/Dtemperature) how come that in the remaining exponential terms (second equation) do not have a factor of 2 in their powers?
I think there should be exp(-2 epsilon/kT) and exp(-6 epsilon/kY
eliasds 2008-11-03 21:47:43 |
I think by absolute temperature, they are referring to temperature in degrees kelvin.
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|  | jakevdp 2005-11-01 11:19:24 | Alternately, you can realize that at kT>>e, Entropy is near maximum, thus each particle has roughly equal probablility of being in any of the three states. Thus, average energy is simply (0+e+3e)/3 = (4/3)e
nitin 2006-11-16 11:17:24 |
Yosun
This long and elaborate calculation is truly inappropriate and silly when it comes to answering a GRE MCQ. As jakevdp pointed out, since , all 3 possible nondegenerate energy states are equally likely to be occupied by any of the N particles. Therefore, the average energy of each particle would be .
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grae313 2007-10-07 18:09:55 |
nitin, if you look at all the answers Yosun gives, one could only conclude that he(?) is presenting the rigorous derivation of each solution where applicable, for those who want to see and study the physics behind the solution. I doubt he thinks it is the best solution or the way to approach the ETS exam. This is for studying only.
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Richard 2007-10-31 18:03:39 |
she...
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madfish 2007-11-02 16:24:24 |
it. j/p
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physicsisgod 2008-11-05 21:07:32 |
My long, elaborate, innappropriate and silly calculation shows that nitin is a douche.
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