GR0177 #9


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Electromagnetism}Electric Field
From symmetry, one has 0field at the center. This is choice (A).
Take the limit of an infinite number of charges placed around the center. In two dimensions, one has a circle of charges. This is similar to a 2dimensional conductor. There is 0electricfield inside a conductor (the potential is constant inside). But, for a lessthaninfinite number of charges, one would only have 0field in the center. Gauss' Law inside would have a gaussian surface (just a loop in 2dimensions) surrounding 0 charge.
The bruteforce way would be to compute the electric field via Coulomb's Law and vector addition. With the proper coordinates and a angle unit circle, this is a easy calculation.


Alternate Solutions 
BerkeleyEric 20100711 17:36:59  Consider some arbitrary electric field vector at the center of the circle. If it has a finite length, there are always four equivalent vectors (from rotation by 72 degrees) which correspond to the same physical situation. But the vector is uniquely defined, so it must be (A).  

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whereami 20180406 14:20:34  look at any regular polygon. draw the lines that connect each vertex to the center of the polygon. the lines themselves can form another regular polygon. This means their vector sum is zero. so is E.   Nebula 20150918 21:47:40  Expanding on the symmetry argument. Imagine rotating the 5 charges 72° CW or CCW. The system will look exactly the same. Therefore, there can\'t be an E field in the center, otherwise we could rotate the charges and come up with a different E field for the same configuration.   vasilis 20111109 07:22:59  The most transparent method is to consider the electric potential at the centre (since no vectors are involved).
Clearly each charge contributes the same V= kq/r^2 =constant; hence =  div (V) = 0.   mianghazanfar786 20100726 15:06:50  According to 3rd application of Gauss's Law, the charge inside a hollow sphere is 0. Although a numbers of charges are spread over the sphere outside. so the choice is (A)
ahmedali__ 20170828 19:13:42 
the answer is true but your justification is not. \r\nto solve an electrostatic problem using the potential, you should calculate it very generic at any point (r,theta,phi) in the three dimensional space or (r,theta) in two dimensional space, then take the derivative. \r\nwhat you\'ve done is you got the potential at specific point, so it is obviously will give you constant specif value, so if you apply this method to any configuration you will get zero field, and that is not true.

  BerkeleyEric 20100711 17:36:59  Consider some arbitrary electric field vector at the center of the circle. If it has a finite length, there are always four equivalent vectors (from rotation by 72 degrees) which correspond to the same physical situation. But the vector is uniquely defined, so it must be (A).
alece 20161022 23:11:31 
This is, in my opinion, the most elegant and intuitive solution.

  physicsworks 20100206 02:17:41  You can solve this problem not only for five or, say, eleven charges but for an arbitrary number of equal charges situated at the coners of a regular sided ploygon ( is either odd or even number).
The solution to this problem is a sum of vectors equal in length. Any two neighbors in this sum are separated by the angle (so the picture of vectors is like "sunbeams"). You can choose an arbitrary vector and project all the vectors on the line on which the first vector lies. If the length of the vectors is 1 you will get:
where .
There is such a nice formula:
. Using this:
Substituting :
for all .
So the projection of resulting field on the choosing line is zero. And since this line was arbitrary, one can conclude that electric field is zero.
frederic.c.brown 20111027 08:16:45 
I'm confused on where the cosine and sine equation above came from. Was this an trigonometry identity? What does S stand for?

frederic.c.brown 20111027 08:19:34 
I'm confused on where the cosine and sine equation above came from. Was this an trigonometry identity? What does S stand for?

buaasyh 20141020 06:39:00 
According to the producttosum identities, , which will lead to progressive elimination in summation .
is the form of the Dirichlet kernel (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trigonometric_identities).

  Tevatron 20091025 18:34:07  The solution should be (C)
Remember that electric fields follow the principle of superposition. Each individual charge produces a field of . The total electric field is the summation of all 5 of these fields.
Note that even if the charges were not distributed symmetrically about the circle, the net field at the center would still be C, as long as all 5 charges were on the circle.
CMSmonkey 20091031 16:42:24 
It is true that electric fields follow the principle of superposition, but remember that the fields do not all point in the same direction. So there will be "destructive" superposition. What you said may be applicable to the electric potential at the center  the potential is not a vector quantity.

Tevatron 20091101 20:24:26 
Agh. You're right. I dunno what I was thinking.

  rajendratimilsina 20081023 18:15:27  Gauss law states that , to find an electric field charge must enclosed by the surface area . so i think by symmetry there is zero electric field at the centre of the circular coil.
homa 20131018 11:23:28 
Gauss' law doesn't state that. Gauss' law states that the total electric flux of some gaussian surface is directly proportional to the total enclosed charge. If you have a system with just a single point charge, then there is electric field everywhere, no matter where you choose to look. The reason for zero electric field is due to symmetry arguments and superposition, not gauss' law.

 

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